Jan 28, 2008, 08:37 AM // 08:37
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Desert Nomad
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: US
Profession: R/Mo
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Blessed Light in PvE
I've been following this thread with some interest trying to optimize my monking in PvE. The debate there boiled down to hybrid monks versus pure healers and/or protters. That is, "party member compression": one monk doing the job of what two monks would have done.
What about bar compression? Back in the Prophecies days, I ran boon prot; after its nerf, I followed the GvG trends and ran BLight in PvE, which worked more or less okay until Nightfall. Now, with WoH + GoLE buffed long since Factions' release, along with more niche tools like RC and Divert Hexes coming into the fray, have these new Monk elites completely left BLight in the dust?
[skill]Blessed Light[/skill]
BLight is a great bar compression skill - it self-targets, gives a good heal, and cleans you up. When the three things it does proc and hit a sweet spot, it's quite efficient. However, in PvE, you often don't care about stuff like Blind on your casters or junk like Ignorance on your nukers. The AI spreading random debuffs on your party seems more like a hindrance than a help to me. You see a green health bar down to 50%, and a purple arrow - but the only thing that you probably did was remove a Painful Bond that wouldn't matter after the next few seconds. (While that's an argument for better battlefield awareness, bear with me here.)
What drove Blessed Light out of the PvE meta? Few monks I've pugged with, or even in my guild, seem to use it. The former stick with the old Orison-Kiss-bar full of junk-Rebirth template while the latter play the generally more accepted hybrids or Healer's Boon. Is BLight simply not efficient enough, even considering its potential for bar compression? IMO, If anything, the template should have gotten a buff with the GoLE changes since Factions.
Anyway, just wondering about your thoughts. (PvE only please, I've watched the death of the BLight template in PvP through obs.)
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Jan 28, 2008, 08:46 AM // 08:46
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Forge Runner
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Malta
Guild: [CuTe]
Profession: E/
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10 energy
nuff said
- Ganni
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Jan 28, 2008, 08:55 AM // 08:55
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I like yumy food!
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Where I can eat yumy food
Guild: Dead Alley [dR]
Profession: Mo/R
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The only thing you get out of bar compression in PvE is the ability to put MORE skills on your bar, namely, more prots. Essentially, you don't need a condition removal, hex removal, or even a power heal. However, the thing is that at 10 energy, is a monk going to use it to remove cripple? What about some minor hex? What if they have no condis/hexes?
In the cripple case, one would use dismiss for a nice 100ish point heal as well as the condition removal. For hexes, a cure hex is much better and energy efficient. For a straight heal, you wouldn't use blight, and if you want to use gift of health, that's a slot used up and your bar isn't really compressed.
Now, let's take a look at a standard WoH hybrid I use:
SoA, RoF, WoH, Seed of life/Cure hex, Dismiss, PS, Aegis, Glyph
If you replace WoH with Blight, it allows you to take out...cure and dismiss! But in the aforementioned case, if you want a powerheal, you'd replace it with gift, and have one open slot for another prot. Say shielding hands. So basically, you're trading the efficiency of removing conditions and hexes (while providing a heal comparable to Blight at half the energy cost) for another prot. To me, that's not worth it, since I mainly run seed of life anyways, so you'd be switching out WoH/Dismiss for Blight/Gift, which is much weaker in terms of both healing and condition control.
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Jan 28, 2008, 09:15 AM // 09:15
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Frost Gate Guardian
Join Date: Aug 2007
Guild: Writhe in Pain
Profession: Mo/
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Quote:
Originally Posted by holymasamune
In the cripple case, one would use dismiss for a nice 100ish point heal as well as the condition removal. For hexes, a cure hex is much better and energy efficient. For a straight heal, you wouldn't use blight, and if you want to use gift of health, that's a slot used up and your bar isn't really compressed.
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The Beauty of Blessed Light is that the skill does all three at once rather then cast two or three spells to remove hex, condition, or heal. If you plan on using it I think it would be best in areas where enemies hex and condition spam a lot.
I think Blessed Light saw the most use in the pre-inspiration nerf, but if you want to use the skill there's nothing stopping you from building a bar around it. Just make sure you can manage your energy because it's pretty expensive for rapid casting, maybe bring a energy management like Glyph of Lesser Energy.
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Jan 28, 2008, 10:37 AM // 10:37
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Just Plain Fluffy
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Berkeley, CA
Guild: Idiot Savants
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The only place I'd look at Blessed Light is as a Smiter's Boon elite. Healing and Prot elites blow it away. It's only common use was as a self-sufficiency tool back in the days when Monks didn't need to use their elites, and there weren't good elites to take. That's not the case anymore.
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Jan 28, 2008, 10:15 PM // 22:15
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Frost Gate Guardian
Join Date: Aug 2007
Guild: Writhe in Pain
Profession: Mo/
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ensign
The only place I'd look at Blessed Light is as a Smiter's Boon elite. Healing and Prot elites blow it away. It's only common use was as a self-sufficiency tool back in the days when Monks didn't need to use their elites, and there weren't good elites to take. That's not the case anymore.
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Wow funny you should say that, because I use Blessed Light too with my smiter's boon. Though I alternate between Blessed Light, and Balthazar's Pendulum in PvP because Pendulum is cheaper, is powered by smiter's boon, and sends the Knockdowns back at the people trying to use them.
However back to the topic BLight is probably better in PvE as a Multi-Heal as your not going to run into a lot of knockdown enemies as you would in PvP Arenas. Just bring some energy management and use it wisely and try not to rapid cast it.
Last edited by Kwan Xi; Jan 28, 2008 at 10:17 PM // 22:17..
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Jan 28, 2008, 10:28 PM // 22:28
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Frost Gate Guardian
Join Date: Aug 2007
Guild: Writhe in Pain
Profession: Mo/
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oh yeah I just thought of some more energy management choices you could use besides GoLE.
With a investment in Inspiration Magic [skill]Ether Signet[/skill] can be of use, or if your good at using it [skill]Power Drain[/skill] works too, and possibly [skill]channeling[/skill] though this skill hasn't been really successful for me. You can run with those and see if they help you with Blessed Light's Energy problem.
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Jan 28, 2008, 11:36 PM // 23:36
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Just Plain Fluffy
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Berkeley, CA
Guild: Idiot Savants
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Pendulum is clearly better in PvP where knockdowns are common. In PvE, it doesn't do anything 99% of the time and is a dead elite. Blessed Light or Empathic Removal are the best skills available if you dual spec, though neither is terribly attractive.
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Jan 29, 2008, 02:47 AM // 02:47
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Likes naked dance offs
Join Date: Aug 2005
Guild: The Older Gamers [TOG]
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My partner and I generally run one WoH monk and one Blessed light monk on heroes when we're out. I run a Dragonslasher and use bodyblocking extensively to maximise the effectiveness of adjacent AoE's (primarily my partner's SS). A consequence of this tactic is that I am very often smothered in hex's and conditions which makes BL very effective.
The thing I like about it is the 5s recharge - it doesn't replace dismiss and cure hex, it replaces dismiss and 2 cure hexes. The 10e isn't generally a problem for the ai because I have them run essence bond on myself, giving them an effectively unlimited energy supply.
If you care to rip them appart, the two bars are:
[skill]word of healing[/skill][skill]signet of rejuvenation[/skill][skill]Dwayna's Kiss[/skill][skill]Aegis[/skill][skill]Protective Spirit[/skill][skill]Heal Party[/skill][skill]Essence Bond[/skill]
[skill]Blessed Light[/skill][skill]Gift of health[/skill][skill]reversal of fortune[/skill][skill]Aegis[/skill][skill]Spirit Bond[/skill][skill]Dismiss condition[/skill][skill]Shield of Absorption[/skill][skill]essence bond[/skill]
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Jan 29, 2008, 03:37 AM // 03:37
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Furnace Stoker
Join Date: Nov 2006
Profession: D/W
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Its a skill that's use as a bar-compressor demands spamming, but its 10 energy cost makes it un-spammable.
it just dosnt really fit on any bar.
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Jan 29, 2008, 04:07 AM // 04:07
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Wilds Pathfinder
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: In a donut hole
Profession: Rt/A
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If it were 5 energy, I would use it definitely.
One can only hope.
*prays to Izzy*
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Jan 29, 2008, 04:11 AM // 04:11
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Furnace Stoker
Join Date: Nov 2006
Profession: D/W
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lower the healing and it would be a decent 5-energy elite
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Jan 29, 2008, 04:16 AM // 04:16
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Wark!!!
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Florida
Profession: W/
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Yeah, make it 5e and it'd be great to bring around.
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Jan 29, 2008, 04:23 AM // 04:23
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Wilds Pathfinder
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Coloneh
lower the healing and it would be a decent 5-energy elite
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Absolutely. Lower the healing and lower the energy cost to 5, and this replaces WoH on my hybrid bar, no question.
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Jan 30, 2008, 01:43 AM // 01:43
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Furnace Stoker
Join Date: Nov 2006
Profession: D/W
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Grammar
Absolutely. Lower the healing and lower the energy cost to 5, and this replaces WoH on my hybrid bar, no question.
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mine to. i usually run RC if i have the choice. WoH usually dosnt perform that much better than gift.
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Jan 30, 2008, 03:40 AM // 03:40
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Desert Nomad
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: US
Profession: R/Mo
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Gift's nice and all, but not being able to self-target and the 5 s recharge make it a little worse than WoH.
BLight would be pretty awesome at 5/1/5 or so, but it'll never happen. Thanks [dR] guys for the insights.
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Jan 30, 2008, 06:21 AM // 06:21
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Furnace Stoker
Join Date: Nov 2006
Profession: D/W
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Seef II
Gift's nice and all, but not being able to self-target and the 5 s recharge make it a little worse than WoH.
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a little, but with RoF i hardly ever use WoH on myself anyways. personal preference...
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Feb 01, 2008, 03:20 AM // 03:20
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Academy Page
Join Date: Apr 2007
Profession: Mo/
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Quote:
Originally Posted by DarkGanni
10 energy
nuff said
- Ganni
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My thoughts exactly.
Imo, hex removal isnt that needed in PvE. Normally, in PvE, hex's arent so detrimental to your party, which you'll rather spend 5e spamming dwanya's kiss to bring the bars up rather than concentrate on removing a hex. Cure hex is run more often as a cheap HEAL rather than its main focus, hex removal, because the condition is extremely easy to meet.
Conditions removal is only needed on your rangers and warriors (blind) and daze on casters (and daze in PvE is rarely seen). The fact that WoH, HB, and RC are much cheaper, and versatile means that they'll see higher usage.
Its not that BLight is a bad skill, i think its awesome, but the benefits dont outweigh the costs. Because more spammable elites = higher usage of better skills.. rather than a really good elite at the cost of spammability. The balance between awesome effects, and rate of usage works against BLight in the case, causing it to dissappear of most monk's bars.
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Feb 01, 2008, 04:32 AM // 04:32
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Jungle Guide
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Great temple of Balthazar
Profession: Mo/Me
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ive always LOVED this skill but its 10energy but i love the skill still D:
a bar i made like 5mins ago is
[skill]blessed light[/skill][skill]reversal of fortune[/skill][skill]signet of devotion[/skill][skill]protective spirit[/skill][skill]glyph of lesser energy[/skill]spotless mind, spotless, soul, rez
ill try it later but i do think it will come out to be more like my other Blight builds ive tryed making, good for easy missions not good for harder missions
i do think this skill needs a buff cause its so almost uber, 5energy and a 10-12 sec recharge id use it a lot more
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Feb 01, 2008, 04:46 AM // 04:46
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Furnace Stoker
Join Date: Nov 2006
Profession: D/W
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Quote:
Originally Posted by JDRyder
i do think this skill needs a buff cause its so almost uber, 5energy and a 10-12 sec recharge id use it a lot more
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NOOOOOOO recharge increase! that kills its status as a bar-compressor.
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